Emails

From Theresa:

Early on I started making lists of information
on Alex Scott in terms of how to separate out activities. My lists may be
mistaken (especially as there may be more than one Alex Scott in VA, too),
but here is what I have. Where no source is mentioned, it is the obvious
one (census, military record, deed...)
#1
1740 born (based on 1830 and 1840 census)
1753 in Augusta Co., VA
1774 on the N fork of Cedar Creek, a branch of the Clinch River
1781 in VA frontier militia
August 22, 1781 deeded land on Cedar Creek
February 2, 1782 Treasury warrant for 23 a on the N Fork of Cedar Creek
1782 on Cedar Creek in Washington Co (personal property tax list and deed of
neighbor)
1783 on Cedar Creek in Washington Co (deed of neighbor)
1787-90 in Russell Co (tax lists)
1789 on Cedar Creek in Russell Co (personal property and land tax lists)
1794 daughter Mary (later Bewley) born with wife, Susan (Mary Bewley's death
notice)
1795 in Green Co (tax list)
1799 in Russell Co (tax list)
1800 on Brush Creek in Green Co (census and tax list)
1801 consented to marriage of Lyddy Scot and William Jones
1802 consented to marriage of Rhoda Scott and Moses Hart
1818 marries Sarah (Sally) Hash
1820 Harding Scott, born before 1775, in Green Co
1822 widowed by Sally Hash Scott
1823 marries Eliza Bridges
1830 in Green Co (census says 90 yr.)

#2
1790 born (1850 census)
1811 married Mary (Polly) Graham
1813 in Green Co (tax list of Jr. and Sr.)
1815 on Brush Creek (tax list of Jr. and Sr)
September 10, 1822 bought 50 a on Brush Creek
1833 made will including Mary/Polly
1834 with Mary, sold 50 a on Brush Creek
1846 bought land
1850 in Green Co (census says 60 yr.)
November 8, 1853 died

#3 (and #4??)
October 7, 1828 estate sold
1837 heirs of one and assignee of another? sell land
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From Debbie:

I'm glad that you sent this to us Theresa. It is easier to look at it like
this and I have done this on other families. Just been to confused on this
one to really write it down. Correct me if I'm not understanding this,
which I have been know to do. I have down that Alexander #3 (in your list)
is the one that married twice, first to Sarah Hash & second to Eliza
Bridges. Here are my reasoning behind this is that:
1. he is listed in the James Hash Estate settlement as Alexander H. and the
older Alexander (#1 in your list) is always known as Alexander Sr.
2. In the Alexander H. Scott estate information there is a Eliza Scott that
buys the same thing that the widow is listed as getting.
3. We know that there is an older Alexander in the 1830 census.

I don't think I have anymore reasoning behind it. You know how hard it to
keep track of your reasoning sometimes. :)

So I think the corrected timelines that you originally sent for the
Alexanders should look like this. I'm just corrected the one that Theresa
sent in her original message (below) with my corrections not having the > in
front of the line, hope that makes sense!.

Well I guess that's all from me for now. Let me know what you both think.
Again Theresa I'm glad that you sent this, it certainly helped me get them
straight in my mind.

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From Theresa

Isn't #2 the son of John and Nelly, therefore if related to #1, not a son?
#3 has people we know to be related to #1 buying his property after death,
doesn't he?

Revised Time Line

#1 - Alexander, Sr.

1740 born (based on 1830 Census)
1753 in Augusta Co., VA (??)
1774 on the N fork of Cedar Creek, a branch of the Clinch River
1781 in VA frontier militia
August 22, 1781 deeded land on Cedar Creek
February 2, 1782 Treasury warrant for 23 acres on the N Fork of Cedar Creek
1782 on Cedar Creek in Washington Co (personal property tax list
and deed of neighbor)
1783 on Cedar Creek in Washington Co (deed of neighbor)
1787-90 in Russell Co (tax lists)
1789 on Cedar Creek in Russell Co (personal property and land tax lists)
1794 daughter Mary (later Bewley) born with wife, Susan (Mary
Bewley/Buley's death notice)
1795 in Green Co (tax list)
1799 in Russell Co (tax list)
1800 on Brush Creek in Green Co (census and tax list)
1801 consented to marriage of Lyddy Scot and William Jones
1802 consented to marriage of Rhoda Scott and Moses Hart
1820 Harding Scott, born before 1775, in Green County Census
1830 in Green Co (census says 90 yr.)
1830-1837 dies in Green County

#2 Alexander Hardin Scott

1790 born (1850 census)
1811 married Mary (Polly) Graham
1813 in Green Co (tax list of Jr. and Sr.)
1815 on Brush Creek (tax list of Jr. and Sr)
September 10, 1822 bought 50 acres on Brush Creek
1833 made will including Mary/Polly
1834 with Mary, sold 50 acres on Brush Creek
1846 bought land
1850 in Green County Census - 60 yr.
November 8, 1853 died

#3 Alexander H. Scott

1818 marries Sarah (Sally) Hash
1822 widowed by Sally Hash Scott
1823 marries Eliza Bridges
October 7, 1828 estate sold
1837 heirs of one and assignee of another (Alexander, Sr. ??) sell land
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From Debbie:

Herb & Theresa,

Thought I would let you all know that I have a new little tidbit on the
Alexander's. I sent off for a copy of the actual James Hash's inventory and
settlement, not the one in the inventory & settlement book but the pieces of
paper that they transcribed it from. I was hoping that since Alexander &
Sally were named in there thought it might produce something helpful.

Two pieces of paper have Alexander H. Scott's signature on them where he
turns in a bill for the schooling of the orphans of James Hash, Deceased.

The thing that I found most interesting is another piece of paper. Here it
is in it's entirety.

Know all men by these present that we Alexr H. Scott, Junior, Sally Scott
(late Sally Hash administ of Jas Hash Decd & Alexander Scott are held and
firmly bound unto Samuel Combs in the penal sum of five hundred dollars
current money of Kentucky the payment of which well and truly to be made we
?? ourselves our heirs & c Jointly and severally firmly by these presents
seals with our seals and dated this 22nd day of June 1818 The condition of
the above obligation is such that where as the above bound Saml Combs
conceives himself in danger of suffering as security for the above named
Sally Scott late Sally Hash as administratix of said James Hash deceased and
has petitioned the court for relief and whereas it is ordered by said court
that the said administratix aforsaid give to the said Combs counter security
for his indemnity
Now should the said Alexr Scott Junr, Sally Scott & Alexr Scott indemnity
and secure him from any damages as security as aforesaid then this
obligation to be void else to remain in full force and virtue
Teste John Barret

Alexander Scott(Seal)
Sally Scott (Seal)
Alexander Scott (Seal)

Well what do you all think? This is right after Sally & Alexander H. get
married on June 9th. I think it proves the relationship between the two
Alexanders.

One more thing. In the stuff that I got it does mention the children of
James & Sally Hash. Herb, thought this might help you in knowing the number
of each gender. I thought of this after looking at the email you sent on
May 13, 2000 that had census info. in it. You had these children listed
under Harding Scott pg. 80 of the 1820 census. From a guardian bond dated
18th of March 1822 naming Samuel Combs the guardian of Alfred, Joel, Thomas,
Nancy, James and Sally Hash, infant children of James Hash, decd. So it
looks like there were 4 boys and 2 girls. Also I would bet that Sally had
died just previous to this, therefore the need to name a guardian.

I looked in the 1810 Green Co. Census that I have was going to give you all
the age brackets for the kids. But surprise, surprise I didn't find James
Hash. So wherever James Hash might also be Alexander Scott.

Well I guess that is all for me for now. Let me know what you think.
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From Theresa:

> there is a Sally Scott that married John McFelea in 1829.

Where did you find this record? I can't.

> In the 1850 Green Co. Ky. Census is Family #69 John McFaelia age 65 born Maryland
> and Sarah age 64 also born Maryland. John McFaelia shows up in no other data base that I can find. >No census anywhere else! I checked all kinds of spellings.

> Also in the Green Co. Marriages is a marriage between Henry
> Arnett & Elizabeth Scott

>Moved to Hart County and had a mess of kids. Elizabeth b: 1808 would match
>the age of a child shown in Sally's family in 1820. Slight problem [or
>clue] is that in 1850 Elizabeth reports her birth as in Ohio. Wonder if
>Alexander Sr. and William were up there running around in 1808?
>Herb
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From Debbie:

Sorry about not putting my source on there. The marriage for Sally Scott &
John McFelea is in Green Co., Ky. Marriages 1793-1836. I have attached a
file where I abstracted all the Scott's that I could find in the Green Co.,
Ky. marriages. I have just about all the marriage books for Green Co. and
these are all the ones that were listed.

As far as Alexander and William being in Ohio. I'll tell you I have given
up trying to figure out this family and I have noticed that anything is
possible.
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From Debbie:

On my last trip to Green Co. I was talking to Barbara Wright about our
dilemma with the Scott's. I was telling her about this while a friend of
mine was looking through an index of the original settlements that Barbara
had made years ago. These are the settlements that are entered into the
settlement books. Barbara told me that these are the little pieces of
papers that people would turn in to the administrators for payment. She
said that some of the information on the papers like this is my share of my
father's estate didn't get transcribed into the list. In other words they
would just put the names and amounts and not the relationships. So of
course my mind started hoping and praying. So I asked Carolyn Scott to make
me a copy of the Alexander H. Scott settlement. I got it in the mail today.
It doesn't really tell us anything. But I think it does narrow down his
death date a little more. There are 3 notes that Alexander H. Scott signs.
One to Rebekah Young dated 13 Dec. 1826, another to Hiram Underwood, dated 3
April 1827 and the third one is to John Meers dated 28 Jan. 1828. Then the
other papers that Elias Barbee receive were people are wanting money, dated
7 Oct 1828, 15 Oct 1828 and 8 Nov. 1828.

Something else that I noticed. In the lists of receipts they keep
mentioning the widow approving the notes. In the list of the pay outs the
first one is "By $8.00 the price of a mare sold to the widow. she being
entitled to a work beast". Then as you mentioned in one of the other emails
that Eliza Scott is listed in the book as being sold a mare. This confirms
that Eliza is the widow. Good call on that one, I would never had put 2 and
2 together.
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From Herb:

Those early Scotts in Green County are driving me nuts again. I
am beginning to ask myself how many Alexander Scotts were in Green County
before 1850. The ones that we have found appear to be: Alexander [1740] ,
Alexander [1790], and his son Alex Jr. [1818] The 1790 Alexander apparently
dies in 1853 and is wed only to Polly Graham. We have an estate settlement
for Alexander H. Scott in 1828. This would seem to indicate a death in
September of 1828 leaving a widow, the former Eliza Bridges. Because of the
people who were at the estate sale and signed receipts, I assumed that this
was the estate of the 1740 Alexander. I now don't think so and wonder if
this is a third Alexander. Why? Because there is an Alexander Scott on the
1830 Census Microfilm with a mark in the 90-100 column and a mark like this
next to it. (90) 1830-1740=90

PS Here are the Scotts that I can read. Page number from FTM index. Males
first.

Scott, Alexander KY GREEN CO. 1800 TAX LIST

Scott, James KY GREEN CO. 266 1810 20010-1221000
Scott, John KY GREEN CO. 250 1810 10010-3010000
Scott, Thomas KY GREEN CO. 458 1810 00000-0021000
Scott, William KY GREEN CO. 254 1810 00100-2001000

Scott, Harding KY GREEN CO. 078 1820 3-2-0-1-0-0 3-0-0-1-0-0-3
Scott, Harding KY GREEN CO. 080 1820 3-1-0-0-1-0 3-0-0-1-0-0-2
Scott, James KY GREEN CO. 056 1820 0-0-0-3-0-1 1-2-0-0-1-0-0-3
Scott, John KY GREEN CO. 052 1820 0-0-0-2-1-0 4-0-1-0-0-0-0
Scott, John KY GREEN CO. 057 1820 1-0-0-0-0-1
1-3-1-0-1-0-0-1
Scott, Sally KY GREEN CO. 066 1820 1-1-2-2-0-0
3-1-0-1-0-0-0-2

Scott, John KY GREEN CO. GREENBURG 003 1830
0-1-0-2-0-0-1-0-0- 0-0-0-0
1-2-0-1-0-1-0-0-0-0
Scott, Alexander KY GREEN CO. 013 1830
1-1-2-1-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
1-1-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0
Scott, Alexander KY GREEN CO. 015 1830
0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1
0-1-1-1-1-1-0-0-0-1
Scott, David KY GREEN CO. CAMPBELLSVILLE 073 1830
1-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0
2-1-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0
Scott, Gabriel KY GREEN CO. CAMPBELLSVILLE 072 1830
0-0-0-1-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
0-0-0-1-0-1-0-0-0-0
Scott, James KY GREEN CO. 014 1830
0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0
1-0-0-1-0-0-0-1-1-0
Scott, Thomas KY GREEN CO. CAMPBELLSVILLE 074 1830
Scott, William KY GREEN CO. GREENBURG 002 1830
1-0-1-1-1-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
1-1-0-1 ????????

Scott, Alexander KY GREEN CO. 186 1840
0-1-1-1-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 0-0-1-2-0-1-0
Scott, Elisha KY GREEN CO. 186 1840
0-0-0-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0 0-1-0-1-0-0-0
Scott, John KY GREEN CO. GREENSBURGH 182 1840
0-2-0-1-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0 1-1-1-0-0-0-1
Scott, Thomas KY GREEN CO. SOUTHERN DIVISION 164 1840
0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 0-0-0-1-0-0-0

Scott, Alexander KY Green Co. District 2 1850 202 149
Scott, Elijah KY Green Co. District 2 1850 202 149
Scott, Elisha KY Green Co. District 2 1850 202 155
Scott, James KY Green Co. District 2 1850 202 149
Scott, John KY Green Co. District 2 1850 202 155
Scott, Price KY Green Co. District 2 1850 202 132
Scott, Rebecca KY Green Co. District 2 1850 202 143

Scott, Harden KY GREEN CO. ALLENDALE 689 1860
Scott, James G. KY GREEN CO. ALLENDALE 645 1860
Scott, John KY GREEN CO. GREENSBURG 625 1860
Scott, John D. KY GREEN CO. ALLENDALE 655 1860
Scott, John T. KY GREEN CO. CATLPA GROVE 690 1860
Scott, Marshall KY GREEN CO. ALLENDALE 688 1860
Scott, Mary KY GREEN CO. CATLPA GROVE 691 1860
Scott, Price KY GREEN CO. ALLENDALE 666 1860
Scott, William KY GREEN CO. ALLENDALE 685 1860

Scott, A. H. KY GREEN CO. UPPER BRUSH CRK PREC. 515 1870
Scott, Alfred KY GREEN CO. GREENSBURG P.O. PREC.1 418 1870
Scott, Andrew KY GREEN CO. GREENSBURG PREC. 405 1870
Scott, Bell KY GREEN CO. GREENSBURG 433 1870
Scott, Davis KY GREEN CO. GREENSBURG 432 1870
Scott, George KY GREEN CO. HASKINSVILLE P.O. 452 1870
Scott, George II KY GREEN CO. HASKINSVILLE P.O. 452 1870
Scott, J. D. KY GREEN CO. LOWER BRUSH CRK PREC. 504 1870
Scott, James A. KY GREEN CO. UPPER BRUSH CRK PREC. 519 1870
Scott, James G. KY GREEN CO. GREENSBURG PREC. 405 1870
Scott, James T. KY GREEN CO. UPPER BRUSH CRK PREC. 515 1870
Scott, John KY GREEN CO. GREENSBURG 432 1870
Scott, John KY GREEN CO. GREENSBURG 434 1870
Scott, John W. KY GREEN CO. UPPER BRUSH CRK PREC. 522 1870
Scott, Lucy J. KY GREEN CO. LOWER BRUSH CRK PREC. 505 1870
Scott, Price KY GREEN CO. UPPER BRUSH CRK PREC. 514 1870
Scott, William M. KY GREEN CO. UPPER BRUSH CRK PREC. 517 1870
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Census Breakdown

1800

1791-1800
1785-1790
1775-1784
1756-1774
bef 1756
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1810 Males

1801-1810 under 10
1795-1800 10 - 15
1794-1792 16-18
1785-1794 16-25
1766-1784 26-44
bef 1766 45 and over

1810 Females

1801-1810 under 10
1795-1800 10 - 15
1785-1794 16-25
1766-1784 26-44
bef 1766 45 and over
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1820

1811-1820 under 10
1805-1810 10-15
1802-1804 16-18
1795-1804 16-25
1776-1794 26-44
bef 1776
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1830

1826-1830
1821-1825
1816-1820
1811-1815
1801-1810
1791-1800
1781-1790
1771-1780
1761-1770
1751-1760
1741-1750
1731-1740
Bef 1731
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1840

1826-1830
1821-1825
1816-1820
1821-1825
1811-1820
1801-1810
1791-1800
1781-1790
1771-1780
1761-1770
1751-1760
1741-1750
Bef 1741
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From Debbie:
Boy you hit the nail on the head. Ever since I took out their file a week
or so ago they have been driving me batting also. I agree with you that
there are 3 Alexanders. I had just gone through this train of thought
yesterday when I was trying to put my file in some order.

In organizing my file I think I found something else that will add to the
confusion/questions or might actually give us an answer. There is a deed
that looks interesting. In the compilation of the Scott's in Green Co., Ky.
Deed Books that I sent you both. Deed Book 21 pg. 297 on 23 June 1837 W.
Barnett of Green Co., Ky. & John Martin of Clark Co., Ky. of the first part
and the heirs of Alex H. Scott deceased and Hiram Scott assignee of
Alexander Scott Sr. deceased of Green County of the second part on Little
Brush Creek containing 200 acres. So there are the other 2 Alexanders that
are both dead and my Alexander b. 1790 is still alive...So 2+1=3. My
questions though are this: Who are the W. Barnett & John Martin? Is this
the Alexander H. that marries first Sarah (Martin) Hash and secondly Eliza
Bridges? If so how can they be heirs of his since he didn't have any
children? Also they are named in the estate sale or receipts that we have.
So even though it proves your theory Herb of the 3 Alexanders it also opens
up more questions. I think I will send off for the entire deed and see if
it sheds anymore light.

On to another question with a possible solution. The Sally that is in the
1820 Green Co. census that you listed. I believe that she is the same Sally
Bartlett that married William Scott (son of Alexander 1740) in 1806 in Green
Co. Her now being the widow of William. He disappears from the tax lists
in 1810 then she (Sally) shows up in 1815 as widow. Then she is on there of
and on until 1823. I don't know if she dies or not. But in the Green Co.
Marriages there is a Sally Scott that married John McFelea in 1829. In the
1850 Green Co. Ky. Census is Family #69 John McFaelia age 65 born Maryland
and Sarah age 64 also born Maryland. That would put her being born in 1786.
If this is the same Sarah that married William then she would have been 20
when they married in 1806. How's it sounding so far? Well there is one
more thing. Also in the Green Co. Marriages is a marriage between Henry
Arnett & Elizabeth Scott. With a Sallie Scott, mother giving consent. This
sounds like one of the many children that Sallie & William must of had that
is listed on the 1820 Census with her. But what doesn't make sense is that
if they had that many children why didn't they have some sort of guardian
bonds or some sort of paperwork when he dies. Oh, these people
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From Herb

Please let me make sure that I understand this correctly. Tell me if I am
wrong. The above means that Alex H. is dead. His heirs sold the land to
Barnett and Martin. Also Hiram Scott sold land them land that he had
previously bought from Alexander Sr.

Comments: Deed did not say that Alexander H. and Alexander Scott Sr. were
the same person. Are they here for purposes of this deed or do we have 2
pieces of land that total 200 acres formerly owned by father and son? I
think so. Seems to me that the Alexander H. who died in 1828 was the son of
Alexander Sr. and that Alexander H. had at least 2 children by Sarah.

>Who are the W. Barnett & John Martin?

Rich men buying up farm land. I have other information on this John Martin.

> I believe that she is the same Sally
> Bartlett that married William Scott (son of Alexander 1740) in 1806 in
Green
> Co. Her now being the widow of William. He disappears from the tax lists
> in 1810 then she (Sally) shows up in 1815 as widow. Then she is on there
of
> and on until 1823. I don't know if she dies or not. But in the Green Co.
> Marriages there is a Sally Scott that married John McFelea in 1829. In
the
> 1850 Green Co. Ky. Census is Family #69 John McFaelia age 65 born Maryland
> and Sarah age 64 also born Maryland. That would put her being born in
1786.
> If this is the same Sarah that married William then she would have been 20
> when they married in 1806. How's it sounding so far?

I agree wholeheartedly.

> Well there is one more thing. Also in the Green Co. Marriages is a
marriage
> between Henry Arnett & Elizabeth Scott. With a Sallie Scott, mother
giving >consent. This sounds like one of the many children that Sallie &
William must >of had that is listed on the 1820 Census with her. But what
doesn't make sense >is that if they had that many children why didn't they
have some sort of >guardian bonds or some sort of paperwork when he dies.
> Oh, these people.

I agree again. And one other question. I don't have the tax papers that you
sent but after looking at the Census I would like to know Alexander [1740]
is not found in the 1810 or 1820 Census? Where is he those years that he is
not in Green County?
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Possible Scenarios

Harding Page 78 Grandson of Alexander Sr.?

1820 males

1811-1820 under 10 ---- 3 James G. , Elijah, Alex Jr.
1805-1810 10-15----- ---2 ?, ?
1802-1804 16-18------- 0
1795-1804 16-25------- 1 Alexander
1776-1794 26-44--------0
bef 1776-------------------0

females

1811-1820 under 10 ----3 ?, ?, ?
1805-1810 10-15--------0
1795-1804 16-25-------0
1776-1794 26-44-------1 Mary 'Polly' Graham
bef 1776-----------------0
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Harding Page 80 Son of Alexander Sr. ?

1820 males

1811-1820 under 10----3 ? Children of Sarah and James Hash
1805-1810 10-15-------1 Child of Sarah and James Hash
1802-1804 16-18-------0
1795-1804 16-25------0
1776-1794 26-44------1 Harding[Alexander H.] died Sept. 1828
bef 1776----------------0

females

1811-1820 under 10----3 ? Children of Sarah and James
1805-1810 10-15--------0
1795-1804 16-25-------0
1776-1794 26-44-------1 Sarah Martin , m: 6-9-1818
bef 1776-----------------0

Sarah Martin was married to James Hash 1807-1816.
7 children, 2 possibly by Alexander H.
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Alexander Sr.
1830 Males

1826-1830---0
1821-1825---1 Grandson or son of housekeeper?
1816-1820---0
1811-1815---0
1801-1810---0
1791-1800---0
1781-1790---0
1771-1780---0
1761-1770---0
1751-1760---0
1741-1750---0
1731-1740---1
Bef 1731-----0 Alexander [1740], father of James [1767]
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1830 Females

1826-1830---0
1821-1825---1 Grandchild or daughter of housekeeper?
1816-1820---1 Grandchild or daughter of housekeeper?
1811-1815---1 Grandchild or daughter of housekeeper?
1801-1810---1 Housekeeper or daughter?
1791-1800---1 Housekeeper or daughter?
1781-1790---0
1771-1780---0
1761-1770---0
1751-1760---1 Wife of Alexander
1741-1750---0
1731-1740---0
Bef 1731-----0
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